Sunday, February 11, 2018

word choice - Still trying to get my head around に and で


I've been trying to understand those two particles when applied to these phrases:




  1. 私は朝ご飯にお茶を飲みます

  2. 私は朝ご飯でお茶を飲みます

  3. 私は朝ご飯の時にお茶を飲みます




What I more or less understand is:




  1. the only/main thing I have for breakfast

  2. at breakfast time, but not at any other time

  3. at breakfast time, but not restricted to that time.




So, my questions are:



  • What general function does に fulfill in sentence 1 (specific time, direction...)?

  • Is, in sentence 1, 朝ご飯 functioning as a time expression?

  • In sentence 2, is 朝ご飯 functioning as a time expression and じ indicating a restrictive period of time?



Answer



In sentence 1, に is not functioning as a time expression. It's like for or as. "I have green tea for breakfast."


で when used as a time particle can indicate:





  1. the age at which something was done: 25歳で日本に行きました。At the age of 25 I went to Japan.




  2. the end point of a period of time: 1時間で宿題を終えた。I finished my homework in/after an hour.
    Neither of these apply in sentence 2 so 朝ごはん is not functioning as a time expression. The で is showing that 朝ごはん is the place/setting where the tea-drinking is taking place.




In sentence 3, 朝ごはん itself is not a time expression, but together with 時 (とき not じ)you get 朝ごはんの時 'the time of breakfast' or 'breakfast time'.




Only one doubt I have: what does に indicate in the first sentence?



In sentence 1 に means for or as. It functions like として.


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