Monday, June 24, 2019

halacha - Eating a fish underwater


Maseches Chullin 27b that fish do not need shechita but they do need asifa (gathering). Does that mean that it is assur to eat a fish underwater (it's dead -to exclude bal tishaktzu problem) without taking it out of water?


Is the gathering davka that one must take it out of water (meaning the gathering is the shechita) or it is just stating the norm for catching fish and there is no "shechita" concept by fish?



Answer



The Kesef Mishna (Shechita 1:3) writes:




וא"ת סוף סוף נימא דבעו אסיפה בעודם חיים. וי"ל שאילו היה אפשר לומר כן אה"נ אבל כיון דא"א לאכלם בלא אסיפה שאפילו קלטן בפיו ולא אספם בידו מ"מ בעת שהם בפיו נאספים הם אם כן אינו דבר מיוחד דמזהר עליה קרא
And if you want to say that in the end of the day we should say that it requires gathering while it is alive, one can answer the following: If it were possible to say such a thing then we would, but it is impossible to eat them without gathering. Even if one grabs them in one's mouth and didn't gather them with one's hands nevertheless while they are in one's mouth they are gathered. Therefore it isn't a distinct thing that the Torah would prohibit. (my translation)



There is more to say on the matter and you can find an extensive treatment in R Yerucham Fishel Perlow's commentary to Saadya Gaon's Sefer HaMitzvot, volume 3, Milu'im #8.


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